Queer Therapists Talk Wayward
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
ABOUT AVERY AND EM
Avery Phipps (they/them) is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist serving a diverse group of clients in the San Francisco Bay. Avery graduated from The California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) Bachelor of Arts and Integral Counseling Psychology (M.A.) programs. Both programs placed an emphasis on cultural humility, holistic healing and the responsibility we have to each other as citizens of this globe. They teach full time and act as co-chair currently in the Integral Counseling Psychology program at CIIS.
Avery’s training as a psychotherapist began at The Integral Counseling Center in San Francisco, a low fee clinic where they served socially and psychologically diverse individuals, couples, and families. They have since built a private practice which serves adults, teens, and families. Their work is founded in relational psychodynamics, informed by strong social justice, feminist values, and often incorporates Astrology and other symbolic ways of knowing. They are also a huge media nerd and Trekkie for life.
Emily (Em) Marinelli (they/them) is a genderqueer, queer femme, Virgo psychotherapist, professor and author. Em teaches at the California Institute of Integral Studies and City College of San Francisco. In their private therapy practice, Em offers warm and supportive guidance to individuals and couples, using a humanistic, trauma-informed, feminist, social justice, and strengths-based approach.
Their essays have appeared in Alan Squire Publishing Literary Journal, The Blue Rose magazine, Film Obsessive, and TV Obsessive and they were accepted into the 2025 Summer Tin House Workshop. They host the Twin Peaks Tattoo Podcast, where they chat with fans about their Twin Peaks tattoos and what their ink means to them.
Em's debut memoir, Comfort Sequels: The Psychology of Movie Sequels from the 80s and 90s won First Place in the Entertainment and LGBTQ+ categories at the 2024 Bookfest Awards and the International Impact Book Award in LGBTQ+ Nonfiction. Em is proud to be a member of the Marble Valley Dance Collective where they tap dance with amazing artists, and they love cuddling with their rescue pups Radish and Rusty.
Follow Em online @emsmarinelli
Theme music performed by Jeremy Rourke; recorded and produced by Dr Animal Prufrock
Cover Design by Morgan Kerchner
Episodes

Sunday May 03, 2026
Sunday May 03, 2026
Episode 6 -"Mirror”
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Bobbi Rose, a Marriage and Family Therapist in California who works with teens and adults, joins them to discuss Episode 6 “Mirror”
Bobbi grew up in the South among the sawgrass and the pines, to the rhythm of cicadas and the flashing of fireflies. Their early childhood was full of equal parts adventure and trauma, neglect and love. They knew they were queer from an early age, but it took them until college to really claim their big, beautiful queer identity. They found their place of belonging in the LGBTQIA2S+ community and have been Out and Proud ever since. They live in Sonoma County with their amazing partner of 17 years and their lil floofy dog. They believe in and fight for liberation, equity, diversity, inclusion, and belonging for us all!!
https://www.posimages.org/
https://www.onthemargins.com/aboutus
#waywardnetflix, #maemartin, #queertherapiststalkwayward

Sunday Mar 22, 2026
Sunday Mar 22, 2026
Bonus Episode - Twin Peaks and Wayward
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Patrick Fagan is a Marriage and Family Therapist Associate who works with queer couples (and folks in all sorts of other relationship structures) and queer adults seeking support in areas like non-monogamy, intimacy, kink, sex and dating, communication, neurodiversity, substance use, trauma, anxiety, and burnout. Patrick joins them for a very special bonus episode to discuss the many parallels between Twin Peaks and Wayward.
Patrick Fagan (he/him), AMFT, is a psychotherapist who works primarily with queer couples (and folks in all sorts of other relationship structures) and queer adults seeking support in areas like non-monogamy, intimacy, kink, sex and dating, communication, neurodiversity, substance use, trauma, anxiety, and burnout.
Before becoming a therapist, Patrick, who received a Bachelor of Arts degree in graphic design from American University, spent decades in creative leadership roles in media and tech. He supports many clients who are artists, athletes, writers, musicians, filmmakers, and performers, and he has firsthand knowledge of the challenges that come with working in high pressure environments.
Patrick received his Master of Arts degree in integral counseling psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) in San Francisco, where he had the pleasure of learning from Em and Avery. He now teaches a course in psychodynamics as adjunct faculty at CIIS.
Patrick is Staten Island transplant based in the Castro in San Francisco. You can learn more and reach out to him at pfagantherapy.com.

Saturday Mar 07, 2026
Saturday Mar 07, 2026
Episode 5 -"Build”
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Meg McDaniel is a Marriage and Family Therapist Associate who works with children, teens, young adults, and older adults. Meg joins them to discuss Episode 5 “Build.”
Meg McDaniel (MEEd, MCP; she/they/siya) is a multicultural, neurospicy, 2nd generation Euro-Filipino American associate therapist who works with children, teens, young adults, and older adults (who are all just big kids too right?) She specializes in working with individuals in family systems that include divorce, remarriage, blending families, newly-diagnosed neurodiversity, and adoption. She has facilitated and led small and large groups as an elementary and middle school teacher, international school principal, and nonprofit executive over the past 15 years. Most recently, she is teaching Group Dynamics and Integrative Seminar at the graduate level at CIIS.
In her free time, she is likely surfing, foraging for mussels at low tide, or laying in the sunshine with her dog, Wilson. She may also be working on a new and exciting hobby that she will surely enjoy and eventually abandon in six weeks’ time. She is a professional photographer and graphic designer who loves supporting early-career therapists establish their "brand."
https://www.megmcdaniel.com/about
https://www.seamevisuals.com/
Also in this ep-Em can't stop talking about the app "Does The Dog Die?" which they think everyone should download for free.https://www.doesthedogdie.com/
#waywardnetflix, #maemartin, #queertherapiststalkwayward

Sunday Feb 22, 2026
Sunday Feb 22, 2026
Episode 4 -"Mud”
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Queer psychotherapist, consultant, and Twin Peaks fan Danika Grundemann joins them to discuss Episode 4- "Mud.”
Danika Grundemann is a queer, White, millennial psychotherapist/consultant working primarily with LGBTQIA+ clients who are navigating kink and/or consensual non-monogamy in an ever-more oppressive nation. She can otherwise be found making art (collage and clay of late), singing in an 80-person community choir, hanging with her cats, witching, cooking, and communing with nature. If you or someone you know is in need of CNM-, queer-, and/or kink-competent care please reach out via www.DiversePathsPsychotherapy.com.

Sunday Feb 08, 2026
Sunday Feb 08, 2026
Episode 3 -"Break”
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Fabulous child expert and registered non-licensed psychotherapist in Vermont Natana Gill joins them to discuss Episode 3 "Break.”
Natana Gill (She/Her) is a cis, queer, registered non-licensed psychotherapist in Vermont focusing on children, adolescents and parenting adults. She has a masters in education and Rehabilitation Counseling. With 20+ years working with children (as a special educator, puppeteer, theater teacher, daycare worker and nanny), she finally feels at home working in behavior health with young people. Natana is currently working on hours towards licensure. She does not have much of an online presence and prefers real life engagement with 1-3 people max. More than that sends her running to the nearest craft store or library.
natanagillcounseling@gmail.com

Sunday Jan 18, 2026
Sunday Jan 18, 2026
Episode 2 -"Burrow"
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Psychotherapist Emma Moonier joins them to discuss Episode 2 "Burrow."
Emma Moonier is a kick-ass therapist who specializes in attachment injury and repair, especially in communities affected by foster and adoption systems and queer communities affected by family alienation. She loves to teach at the California Institute for Integral Studies, and tries to inspire her students to engage in liberatory thinking and practice at every opportunity.

Sunday Jan 04, 2026
Sunday Jan 04, 2026
Episode 1 -"Tall Pines"
Fabulous and nerdy queer/trans psychotherapists Avery (they/them) and Em (they/them), team up to deep dive into the psychology of Netflix's Limited Series Wayward starring Mae Martin.
They discuss major themes in the show like the mother wound, queer/trans representation, filming production elements, and seek to answer big questions like "what's really going on with all that brie?"
Each episode invites a guest for even more nerdy cuteness.
Clinical psychologist Zoe Barnow joins them to discuss Episode 1 "Tall Pines."
Zoe Barnow, PsyD (she/her) is a clinical psychologist with a private practice in Northern California. She primarily works with the LGBTQ+ perinatal and family populations, as well as a focus on complex early childhood trauma, and couples. Prior to private practice, she worked in various settings with adolescents, including a middle school in East Oakland, a juvenile hall for adolescent girls, and at The Infant-Parent Program where she worked with many teen mothers. Aside from her professional endeavors, she loves to walk amongst the redwoods, swim in the Yuba and Russian Rivers, cook and bake yummy things, and play games with friends.







